Grateful Dead Live at Community War Memorial Auditorium on 1980-09-02
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Minglewood Blues, Sugaree-> El Paso, Friend Of The Devil, It's All Over Now, China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider-> Lost Sailor-> Saint Of Circumstance-> Don't Ease Me In
Althea, CC Rider, Ship of Fools, Estimated Prophet-> Terrapin Station-> Playin' In The Band-> Drums-> Iko Iko-> Morning Dew-> Sugar Magnolia, E: Alabama Getaway
Related Music (Beta) question-dark
Versions - Different performances of the song by the same artist
Compilations - Other albums which feature this performance of the song
Covers - Performances of a song with the same name by different artists
|New Minglewood Blues|
|Friend Of The Devil|
|It's All Over Now|
|China Cat Sunflower >|
|I Know You Rider >|
|Lost Sailor >|
|Saint Of Circumstance >|
|Don't Ease Me In|
|C C Rider|
|Ship Of Fools|
|Estimated Prophet >|
|Terrapin Station >|
|Playing In The Band >|
|Iko Iko >|
|Morning Dew >|
- The aud was missing some sections of tuning/crowd, these have been patched from the sbd
- The sbd of "It's All Over Now", "Ship Of Fools", "Terrapin Station" and "Drums" all had splices/tape flips,
these have been patched from the aud
- "Alabama Getaway" from the aud source has been used in both tracks rather than try and sync it with the
source used for the sbd
Thanks to the tapers and seeders
editing and matrix
- 2010-12-01 13:19:19
- MAC > Nakamichi DR-2 > Edirol FA-66 > Wavelab > CD-Wave > R8Brain > TLH > FLAC 1644 Tagged. Transfer by Andrew F.
- Rochester, NY
- Run time
- Matrix: 60% sbd/40% aud Recording Info: Discs 1 & 2: SBD -> Cassette Master -> ? -> Cool Edit Pro -> FLAC Disc 3: SBD -> Cassette Master -> Dat -> Sonic Solutions -> CD Encore: (FOB) Nakamichi 300/CP1 -> Cassette Master -> Dat -> CD Transfer Info: WAV -> Samplitude v7.02 Professional -> FLAC Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller and FOB AUD: 2x Nakamichi CM300/CP4 shotguns > Nakamichi 550 > Maxell XLII 90's, mics on stand FOB, taped by Tim Friend.
- Transferred by
Subject: Have to agree with Bucky
China - Rider mid first set was a change but it had lost it's special appeal from 18 months prior. Sailor Saint had many of us suicidal at this point for exactly the reasons he suggests. My bladder still sends me to the bathroom if I slip and let this play. Ending the set with the dreaded Don't Ease was just rubbing it in at that point.
Althea to start the second set was, again, a different position but didn't light anybody's world on fire. Compare that effort to the Dancin' > Franklin's second set opener from 11-9-79 and it's not in the same league at all. Ship puts me to sleep so another ding.
Bucky, they played Iko out of drums-space at RPI 5-7-78, no? I thought both came out with an abrupt start vs. jamming into it.
With the exception of the last line of the Dew, when Jerry sounds like he is going to break down crying, this is no where near the best Dew. Yes, 9-18-87, 5-8-77, 6-7-77, 4-27-77, any spring 77 Dew. You don't have to go back to pre-break Dews.
And, Bucky, this can't be THE SHOW of that run. I just listened to Scarlet Fire from 8-30-80 Philly and that is way hotter than anything this night.
Subject: Not the whole truth....
I have read your reviews on many many early 80's shows now for years - over and over and over on so many that you analyse to the nth degree - shows that I attended, but you apparently did not.
This leads me to the point that I wish to make. You present your reviews in a manner as if your opinions are the final word, yet you miss many, many things due to the fact you were either too young or simply not there to receive that 'insider' inforrmation, yet you go on like you know it all. Sadly, this is most certainly indictitive of our times where folks insist on re-judging the past by the standards of today....
You say for example, you would lose your marbles over China > Rider > Sailor Saint?
Trust me, many of us at this show were indeed losing our marbles......Why? Because we were sick to death of seeing Sailor > Saint waste 15 minutes of valuable stage time every night. What cheese lol!
Since it's debut a year earlier the weekend of my first show in Rochester the year before, I for one had seen S>S 11 out of 17 shows, with Saint thrown in the post-drums slot another lovely two times, that's 13 out of 17.
Yes, I was quite ready to lose it lol....sigh.
Oddly, we were quite accepting of the strange placement of Althea to start the Second Set - we just KNEW we had headed up from two daze in Philly and then D.C. Watching the band peak, Peak, PEAKING towards this show and KNEW we would not be denied THE show of the tour (9/6 in Lewiston not withstanding, this WAS it)
As for CC Rider, the band had just broken it out and it was regularly being played in set two in early and late summer 1980, nothing unusual here.
Anyhow, back to my point:
Now, this is the type of information that simply slips through the cracks of time and most definitely in the dark....
Likewise Aiko-Aiko (as it was spelled prior to Deadbase getting involved) isn't THAT slow. It's PLAYED that way and was until around 1985 - my Lord. This was also the first one back, played in the jam in a long long time (early '79 with Keith) and the first ever out of 'space' as opposed to straight drums, so it's a whole new experience for the Dead playing it too.
And in the words of the famous Simon Freidmon review, who wrote in Deadbase, "even if there was a better Morning Dew, we wouldn't admit it"
No need, there's only one better, post- hiatus and we all know which one that is.
Just joking! ;)
Although this one is definitely the most BEAUTIFUL Dew. Listen to Jerrys voice and tone of playing.
5th of the 10 times they played the Blue Cross Arena, and 8th show of 15 in Rochester - to show how big this market was for the band - and the only upstate stop of the tour (they'd played Cornell and Glen Falls on the spring tour). I remember when this show was considered a hot-obscure-trade suggestion but available copies were poor AUD/High Gen, though hinting there was a good show in there. Then it got forgotten for awhile - at least, until DP21 released a (incorrectly-pitched) teaser in '01 - and I think that's due to lack of a decent SBD and most traders not hearing the Skankweed or Friend sources in Low Gen. Now, even better, there's a matrix and the show has been uncovered. Dick's 21 should have been this whole show. The first and last quarters are in the red like the Solstice Anchorage show a few months prior - one of the most consistent 1st sets of the early Brent era. The second set is not as remarkable overall but the end is crystal. The following two nights are also hot. I have yet to hear a bad '80 show and I luckily never saw a China>Rider>Sailor>Saint: I may have lost my marbs. Some are calling this one of the best shows of all time, and some are calling it "a stinker".
First Set. "Those Rochester Girls start looking good" on Minglewood with Bobby on slide, smoothly trading licks with Jer's snarling tones and Brent's sweeping flourishes. I love the figure Jer finds 6½-min into Sugaree. The 3rd solo has to be heard to be believed. The rhythm figure that follows would require great trust in your rhythm section - Billy boasts in his book about picking up lost beats and resetting the whole band. Here's an example where he wisely doesn't! Friend of the Devil is slow but the payoff is grand. Jer seemingly plays the entire fretboard for It's All Over Now. I know of no other China Cat>Rider that sounds exactly like this. Jer plays a sequence in between the notes, spitting 16th fills and singing Bobby's 'March winds'. There are tech plagues to an otherwise solid Sailor - albeit a little downtempo. Dough Knees is up there with 12/30/79 for early Brent Dough.
Second Set. Althea is sluggish (settle back easy, Jim) and the skankweed AUD is better than the matrix (the SBD needs -1% pitch and the AUD needs +1%). There are flubs but also a brilliant solo. Most of the rest is average (the SBD is slow on CC Rider and too fast on Ship - use the AUD until Estimated, then back to the matrix). Terrapin is the low point. Bobby tries a few chords of LiG to get out of Playin' (SBD needs -3%), but it goes to the back line. They stay on for Space, which has various steering hints of US Blues maybe; a slight, Egyptian-remnant jam that inspires them to turn the bland set around. Witness this sequence and know why you love this band. Iko has a horribly slow pace (even after you pitch correctly @ +2%), but settles in to a groovy groove: Iko Iko Un Dei! (clap clap). Dig it and it will fix yo chicken wiyo. Morning Dew sounds like a '73 compared to other early Brents. I know of no better 79-81 Dew. Listen to how Jer's adventurously snaking figures in Sugar Mag nudge Bobby into arpeggiated and slid-up rhythm attacks in between his singing and beyond. Alabama was better in this slot when Jer was warmed. Though he lyrically flubs he flings fire from frets and Brent's measures work.
1st Set: A
2nd Set: C+
Overall = 4 Stars
Minglewood Blues - Hot outta the gate
Sugaree - brilliant interplay with rhythm section
Friend of the Devil - builds to a payoff
China Cat>I Know You Rider - early show peak
Don't Ease Me In - ending the set short and tight
Morning Dew - possibly 80's best!
Sugar Magnolia - on full attack
Alabama Getaway - taking advantage of a warmed-up unit
SOURCES: Poor SBD, but the skankweed.26458 is a great AUD, and now there's a Sir Mick matrix. Though it uses the slightly lesser Friend AUD, it's still the best choice. The miller/tetzeli patch 2nd set is a mess of fast and slow pitches and muddy sound (all the SBDs are pitched wrongly and mixed poorly). Apparently Lemieux has more than was partially released on Dick's Picks Volume 21 (albeit at the wrong fricking speed - and it's far from being the only official release pitched incorrectly). Add 2% on playback to DP21. Hearing lesser sources seems to color the opinions of this show, judging by the comments. For the intrepid, a better combo is now available.
Subject: Very Good Matrix
I recently uploaded the Richie Stankiewicz AUD the other day and it is wonderful - though only the second set is up so far (hopefully he can find the 1st set from a friend). It's rare that I keep two versions of the same show. But in this case I think I'll make an exception. This has always been my favorite audience show.